Episode 34: Strategic Design Decisions for your Website

New tools for WordPress, like Kadence, are making it increasingly easy for anyone to build more effective websites without ever touching a line of code. And yet, it’s still critical to make strategic design decisions towards a goal of engaging your audience rather than driving them away. It’s easy to take an effective strategy and apply it in ways that don’t work well. We look at a few examples that don’t work while also providing some key examples that work spectacularly. When do you use a slider? How can you best use animation? What about popups? This is an episode about key strategies that help your website make meaningful impacts in building your brand online. And, of course, we also take a look at new features in Kadence, the Kadence Marketplace, the upcoming Kadence Amplify event, and more.

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Timestamps & Links

• 0:00 Intro
• 2:19 The importance of strategy
• 3:08 Animations
• 8:52 Popups
• 13:55 Carousels and sliders
• 16:25 Designing for distinct customer personas
• 18:08 Where to use sliders effectively
• 20:12 Review walls, asking for reviews
• 22:11 Design decisions with fonts, colors
• 24:22 Kadence Marketplace
• 25:56 Kadence Amplify October 20
• 28:01 Updates to Kadence Blocks with conditional fields, progress bar block, Pexels
• 30:28 Kadence AI
• 32:32 FloThemes Move Masterclass

Transcript

Kathy: Welcome to the Kadence Beat. This is the podcast where we talk about all the cool things you can do with WordPress and Kadence. I’m here with Hannah Ritner and Ben Ritner. How are you guys doing today? Hi, doing good. Awesome. It’s Almost the end of September, almost October, and we are in the full swing of things.

It is crazy busy right now. Are you guys noticing lots going on in the Kadence world?

Hannah: Yes.

Kathy: So much.

Ben: So much. I’ve even noticed my there’s a level of anxiety about everything that’s happening and that I’ve got my hands in all these pieces that’s increased to where even last night talking to my wife and I was like, wow, I’m like, I’m feeling it more than usual of man, there’s so many plates spinning right now which is exciting because there’s just a something about coming into fall and like We got to get this stuff done before the end of the year.

There’s this like emphasis on let’s really end strong. Which is great. And it also just happens that a lot of stuff we’ve been working on is like coming to the front of even like in the whole stellarverse of our brands, there’s a lot about to happen yeah it’s exciting and it’s also this is, yeah, this is fall, this is go time.

Kathy: Yeah. Yeah. It’s go time. And I’m noticing, Hannah, are you noticing it with the community too, with everybody’s projects that they’re working on? Our group is just hopping. So many new people coming in.

Hannah: So many new people coming into the group and so many questions being asked which is amazing like our community is growing so much right now and I feel like it’s never had a lull but now it’s oh wow every time I’m on I’m entering like allowing like 10 new people in I’m like oh my gosh it’s fun it’s exciting but that you do feel this energy in the air everyone’s just trying to yeah and Yeah, it’s fun. It’s exciting.

Kathy: It’s very exciting. So I know a lot of, there’s new stuff happening with Kadence to both with blocks as well as AI. And do you want to save that towards the end where we can talk about all of this new stuff that’s happening and maybe talk about some useful Helpful advice for people who are working on all of their projects first. Do you want to take that first?

Ben: Yeah, I think you could preface that with like, when you’re developing, you’re going through a lot of decisions and Kadence as a tool is designed to empower you to make, effective websites in lots of different ways. And to empower you to do that also empowers you to make ineffective or, bad decisions.

And so we want to work through some of the like. Tools we have that are like, yeah, they’re there and why you would use them in some cases and not in others. And I think. It just is interesting guidelines for like, when you’re going through, you’re not just saying Oh, because this tool exists, I should use it, or because I have this content, I should put it here and more of want to be really intentional about the decisions I make on my site to make it effective for visitors.

Kathy: So are you telling me that I shouldn’t put 75 Lottie animations on a page?

Ben: Yeah, or… But

Hannah: Animations look great, and they’re so fun!

Kathy: They are great, and they are fun, but maybe you could take that one as an option like… Because I know there’s tons of different animations that, and the animations are really hot right now.

I’m noticing like when I browsing around on the web with a newer site, like there’s a lot of movement happening. What are some things that people need to keep in mind when they’re adding either a Lottie animation or animate on scroll, like those types of things? Is there like a mindset of thinking about adding animation?

Ben: Yeah, I think there’s a mindset of one, you want to think about accessibility. In terms of is this going to confuse is going to be so much that it makes people lose the train of the story you’re trying to tell on your site. And is it like accessible in the sense of is the focusing happening to the right next thing?

If you’re tabbing through your content, all that kind of stuff. Like when you bring in animation. Making sure that things that people are going to interact with don’t move on them. That’s one of the most frustrating things is like you go to click on something and it moves right before you did and you clicked on something else.

It’s Venmo has that issue. It drives me crazy. If you ever send someone something on Venmo and you want to change the privacy settings, It will appear in one place and right before you go to click on it, it’ll move up because they put in some thing. It’s like consistent for me. Anyway, that, yeah, but that’s the kind of things you want to make sure you’re paying attention to.

And then to animations can look really great on desktop and then fall apart on mobile. So making sure you’re really paying attention to like, how’s this going to affect the majority of viewers who are seeing this on mobile versus desktop? Yeah. Yeah, there’s a lot to consider as an overall thing, as like a basic thing, the real reason to put animation into your site is it creates a feeling for people and like invoking feeling about your content is really powerful.

So you if you use it really wisely and really well. It can be a very powerful oh, I got a sense of there’s something really professional or really above and beyond about this because there was this really smooth, really intentional animation that was a part of the page. And so you just, that kind of stuff, you don’t, there’s no like hard, fast, like only use three animations on a page or something like that, but.

I think in general I would say don’t use it just because, get your site figured out and then go, what is something I could do to just make this subtle pop and feeling happen? And that’s a better way to approach animation in general is yeah, let’s figure out my static site. Let’s figure out what my content, the story that I’m trying to tell, from section to section and then go.

What’s the like, what would make this just pop a little bit more and then work on putting that in?

Hannah: Yeah, that’s great perspective because it’s so easy to have a fun tool and to start there when you’re building a site or a page rather than okay, actually, what’s the purpose of this? And what do I need to have here?

And so you’re just like, Oh, I really want to add this to a page. So let me just add it first. And then it doesn’t work that way. I’m guilty of that.

Kathy: I really like the experience of animating and animate on scroll because it’s like an immediate, like even just a subtle animate on scroll. It’s like this immediate, Oh, you’re still with me. Have some movement, like just real subtle light Oh, you’re still with me. Here’s some feedback for you. It’s just like this unconscious, like we’re still with you too.

It’s like this engaging experience of you’re going through the site, you’re sticking with it. And we’re here too. We’re with you. And I like that, but it has to be, I don’t like it like super fast. I like it super subtle.

Ben: Yeah, it’s really important with a lot of that stuff too, that you’re careful with the delays that you add and stuff like that, because you don’t want like someone will scroll through your site fast and you don’t want them to miss something because you have a half second delay before it fades in and they scrolled right past that section and we’re like, Oh, this page is empty or that’s missing a headline because the headline is going to fade in a half second.

So you got to be careful. Cool. But it is as far as with Kadence tools, it’s your easiest way to add that element of pop without having to dive into the world of Lottie and how do I create animations or figuring out, all the different ways that you can do different types of animations with graphics and things like that.

Kathy: Yeah. Yeah. Really great points. And I love the fact that, with the Kadence tools, you can test these things you can make a quick change and see, does that change the conversions for that page when I change these animations? And you don’t need a team of developers to have to Change the javascript or change whatever CSS is happening.

All that crazy stuff, you don’t need to worry about. You can just get into the site, change something, and then go look at your analytics. Did this change anything in terms of how my customers are using this site? Just that no code fast way of being able to see how things are working. What other things do people do when they’re…

Trying to really, I know there’s a lot of people right now who are working on their sites for black Friday or cyber Monday. They’re trying to get their sales pages up. And so there’s this temptation of I want to really make this page pop. What are some things that you’ve seen people doing?

That could be done just a little better.

Hannah: Too many pop ups.

Hannah: right away, like you enter the site and boom, there’s like a pop up and you’re like, I don’t even know where I am. And then you exit that one and then there’s a slide in and then there’s just too much going on and you can’t even engage in what the actual website is selling because you’re too bombarded by them trying to get your email.

So that they can give you 10 percent off and it’s just tough.

Kathy: and big brands do that too. Don’t they?

Ben: It’s, yeah, it’s interesting. But you see it all the time and yeah, it’s like a quick way to just don’t overwhelm the user. When you’ve got a message, focus on the message that you’re trying to say. And so I think along with that is don’t hide your main selling point in a pop up. If you’re like, I really want to promote this sale.

And you created a sales page for it and people are landing on your homepage and you’re like, don’t add the pop up to be like, go to my sales page or anything like that, transform your homepage to be that, like duplicate your page, make your home. If that’s where people are coming in, make that your sales page.

Don’t, don’t be like pop up. Hey, we’re having this sale. Come check it out. Just like really focus on the user coming in. And there’s reasons to have a sales page for sure. If you’re doing marketing campaigns and you want to bring them into a sales page versus your homepage. But even when you’re thinking through, like, how do I get this sale up and visible to my users using pop ups is like not the right option.

Put it into the content itself. Make it part of the design. So that way. because so many people are just going to close that pop up before they read it because it’s like, annoying.

Kathy: Yeah. The only time I like pop ups or can excuse a pop up if I’m a user is on exit intent.

Like I’m going to leave the page and they’re like, hold it right there. We’ve got this special offer for you. But I think a lot of big brands do this kind of stuff too, where it’s just okay, I just want to take a little break. I’m just going to go look at William Sonoma and re imagine my kitchen, right?

It’s like my little fantasy world. And then boom, pop up. It’s I haven’t even looked at anything yet and already it’s there and it just interrupts that experience. But I think a lot of times people are coming into a website from an ad, or maybe they’re coming from a Google search. Make sure that wherever they’re coming from, that you at least satisfy that search intent, that need, that whatever is bringing them to your doorstep. If it’s a trick or treater, give them their candy, right? Give them what they came for before you start talking to them about something else completely, or establishing like this long relationship of an email.

thinking about your audience of like where they’re coming from and how they arrive on your site is really important too.

Hannah: There’s certainly a time and place for pop ups. I don’t think it’s within three seconds of entering their website, but it seems to be working for somebody because so many people do it.

Ben: Yeah. Yeah. And I get you want to make noise to draw attention to certain areas. There’s going to be times where you’re like, I really need people to see this because they’re not seeing it. And there’s a lot of ways you can do that. And pop ups is one you can do a slide in, which is a little less intrusive because it’s not preventing that and all that.

That’s a little bit nicer. And then design, like use design, if your website is mostly. Blue and white, pull in a big orange banner and that will be noticed. Like use color, use design. You can even this is like one of those things, like Kadence gives you the ability to use a Google font.

There’s 900 plus Google fonts. So you can in an instant pick a Google font and drop it into your site. And that’s really powerful. And it can be abused very quickly because you could have 10 different fonts loading, which is going to slow your site down and just be really weird for the user to be like, why am I, why so many different font families?

It’s just going to feel like. It wasn’t like thought out and well planned out. So you don’t want to go like just using fonts like crazy and mismatching and not having this like brand style, but at the same time, there are some really loud fonts that can be very good attention getters. If you’re like, Hey, I want to draw attention to the section.

It’s, it can be a powerful tool to bring in a whole new font family. For that section and drop that in. And what’s great is with Kadence, like if you’re just doing that on one page, that’s the only page that font family is going to load. So you’re still not, bogging down your site with a bunch of different font families and you’ve got a powerful way to get attention to a section.

So it can be fun to do. Go look at all the loud fonts on Google fonts and be like, Ooh, I could use this. And just even the word sale or whatever with a loud font is very attention getting.

Kathy: Yeah. Definitely. Good. Yeah. Good advice there. What other what other things do you guys see that. Look can we talk carousels and sliders because there’s people love them It feels like something like I can okay.

I don’t know what I want in this hero area But I want three things Can I just have three things like sliding along and I see all of this advice out there don’t do that It’s too confusing. It’s too cluttered It doesn’t work What are your thoughts? Do you guys have any feelings about carousels, sliders, those types of things?

Ben: Lots of feelings, for sure. I think the general rule should be don’t. And then there’s always exceptions to the rule. There’s always times to do different things. But I would say don’t default to being like, I need to create. A slider for my homepage hero section that is three slides.

Try really try to think about how do I make my hero section on my homepage? Super easy to consume and that it allows the person to really understand what I offer, what is at an exchange here? Like you’re giving your very quick pitch of you should stay on this site because you’re going to get this and this is how we offer it to you.

And then I think you figure it out from there as to there’s sometimes where you can say and again, this is not this is the exception. I’m just, but there are times when you can add a slider to have different hero points to talk about your services in different ways.

And I would say in general, that’s been proven to not work that well. That’s not to say it can’t work. You don’t want to hide your main services behind a slide that requires the user to hang out long enough for an auto slide to happen, which ideally don’t auto slide. Try really try not to auto slide.

or having them interact with the page. There’s times for it. We use tabs a lot. And you can think of a slider a little bit like a tab system. It’s just the way in which you navigate is a little bit different. In general, we all know how to navigate sliders. We know what an arrow means and things like that.

You can go too far and be like, the fact that you use a slider means you are a garbage web developer. I think that there’s, I’ve seen some cases where it can work. I just think in general, for most people. They’re not trusting in their main marketing message and they’re trying to create multiple marketing messages and using a slider to do that.

And I would say that’s probably not the right way to use the slider.

Kathy: There’s some, businesses like. If you think about like Lyft or Airbnb or Uber there’s a couple of distinct customer audiences that those types of businesses have, because they’re primarily connecting.

Rides or a place to stay with someone who’s got, that’s their service, right? So they have two very distinct audiences and I look at those sites. They don’t have sliders. They have very distinct Here’s the rider. Here’s the driver and hey driver. We need you guys, there’s much more of a Handling all of the objections of safety and miles on my car and all of that stuff, they’re pages that are very targeted to one specific audience type.

And then the general site, which is more like riders, because that’s, there’s more riders than there are drivers that they’re connecting with, but there’s no confusing. There’s no page that’s trying to address all of those audiences at once. One page is for drivers, one page is for rider and it’s very clear calls to action to do that one thing.

Rather than one page, like a homepage where it’s really tempting. I’ve got these two very distinct audiences. How do I communicate to both of them? They’re coming in and they do it through navigation. There’s like drivers riders right at the top. And if you click on drivers, that page looks completely different.

Like than the rest of the site, they’re squeezing you into making that decision to become a driver. But it’s very one page has one intentional message. And I think. The temptation is when you have a lot of different audiences to want to try to squeeze all of those things in one page and a slider feels like maybe the right way to do it.

Ben: I think you could say if you’re thinking through some good ways to use sliders and stuff, think about. Testimonial carousels is like a really easy one because they’re not missing that there’s testimonials and you’re just providing a way to show more than one or two on a page where they don’t have to navigate to a new page by just clicking the arrow.

So there’s use cases there where it’s not at the top of the screen, so it’s not. Like really annoying when they’re coming in and you can scroll down and you allow the user to engage with that section and get more content about a certain thing that you’re talking about. I want to see more of those, or I can see it work with.

With products where you’re like, here’s some of our featured products and you want to allow them to like Oh, I want to engage, especially if you don’t auto scroll on that too. It’s just a really nice Oh, I want to see a couple more of these like highlighted products for this or, content like that, where it’s let’s engage further and what I’m already showing you, but you got the gist of it, but if you want to go a little further without navigating to another page, here’s a way to do it.

That’s a powerful way to use carousel. And two, when you’ve got like testimonials in a carousel like that, you can still only have four testimonials, but you show two and you have a slider and people feel like you have a hundred because they don’t like, especially when the auto loops, they don’t think about the fact that there’s still only four testimonials there.

They think, wow, this company has so many testimonials. They need to make a slider for it. Like it just, there’s that feeling. And even though there’s only four, it’s just a good way to get a sense of we have unlimited testimonials to show you without having to go and have unlimited testimonials.

So it’s like a, just a powerful way to, Hey, we have recommendations coming at you. And it’s not Oh, weird. Why do they only have one recommendation?

Hannah: Yeah. And for those who are creating websites, you don’t need to have 120 testimonials. No. I just remember in support, people like messaging like, why does my carousel like tap out at 120 images?

And we’re like, wait, back up. Your carousel doesn’t need 120 images. Please don’t do that.

Ben: Yeah, exactly. Like I’m fine if you have a page that you’re like, Hey, I want to have a review wall that’s like a bunch of testimonials, but don’t put more than I think storybrand says, storybrand. I think their big thing is three.

Yeah. You only need three. And just work on making those the best three you can, and that’s one of the tricks that they talk about is find the customers that have had success with you or the users or whatever you’re doing and selling and then write the testimonial for them. That has the language and the messaging that you want and then go to that person and say, Hey, would you put your name on this testimonial?

Because if you’re someone who uses a product, you don’t want to hear, Hey, will you write a testimony? Because you’re like, I got to figure out the words and what to say and all that stuff. But you like the product. And so if they come to you and say, Hey, will you put your name on this? And the wording sounds right.

And you’re like, yeah, that’s my experience. You’ll put your name on it and you’ll get a lot more very good testimonials that way. Then just push it, putting it out there to people to be like, please write a review for me, or would you write a review? A lot of people are going to not write a good enough review.

Or like ramble or just not write the review. They just, time they’re busy, they got sidetracked. So if you write the reviews for, it’s a weird, but write the review and then ask them to sign off on it and you will get really rich reviews. Whatever you’re doing.

Kathy: And if somebody does write you a review that is something that you haven’t even solicited and it just shows up, buy that person a gift basket for Christmas, maybe.

Somebody going above and beyond, right? Yes. Yep.

Ben: Absolutely. For sure.

Kathy: Yeah. Cool. Is there, Hannah, anything else that people are like using a very effective technique, but maybe it can be using it a little bit better?

Hannah: I feel like we’ve touched on some of the big ones. I think another one that just, I have a hard time with this poor design and just like fonts that don’t match colors that don’t look good together. Like when you open up a page, is it pleasing to the eye or is it like just too much happening at one time?

We’ve been releasing on the blog. Every month these design techniques. And they’ve been interesting, like lots of very unique things that are, like trends that are happening. , design trends. And that’s been inspirational to look through those and see oh, that’s actually something that I wouldn’t have thought of, but that’s a cool look.

So if you need some inspiration, we’ve been posting blackmail about that, but also. I just think you can really go wrong by adding in poor colors, poor fonts that just

Kathy: don’t match. Yeah. Yeah. It’s good to, I think at the beginning commit to a couple of fonts, a headline font and a body font, and then use that Kadence color palette to really make some core decisions about what your brand is going to look like, what your brand colors are, and then stick with it.

And then there’s the exceptions every once in a while. Just yes, don’t go off and live in exception land. Totally. Yeah. Yeah. I can tell that you guys are like me, that you’ll start looking at a website and immediately start wondering, how’d they do this? And how’d they do that? And I wonder, and Ooh, or a ring, those rings that are like the tracker.

Like sleep tracking people use them for their website, their homepage. You, when you scroll through that and then they start talking about sleep, it gets dark Oh, you’re sleeping now. Like it is such a beautiful site. I’m just, I’ll just go on it and just now this is a landing page. It’s so beautiful.

That’s awesome. That’s my new favorite one that I’ve been poking at. Not that I’m going to get an aura ring, but I love it. It’s great. Let’s talk about what’s new with Kadence. Hannah, we’ve got so much going on. What’s with community stuff and stuff that’s coming up. We’re so busy. What’s up?

So busy.

Hannah: The thing I’m most excited about is that we just launched the Kadence marketplace. Which we’ve been working on for a long time, and basically it is a collective from designers and web creators, and it’s all of their design templates and starter templates and child themes and expertise, and it’s all in one beautiful place, and anybody can access it, and they can purchase from these people, and it’s amazing.

It’s like an amazing thing that’s built by our community, but for our community to help people get the most out of Kadence. And I’m like. I’m just

Kathy: so excited about it. Yeah, I’m so excited about it too, because it’s every once in a while like we were talking about, we go into the Kadence group and it’s oh, wow, there’s a new design library.

And here’s another. And it’s getting to the point where it’s we really need to have one place where people can evaluate all of the different child themes and the design libraries, the, block collections and everything. And then, We’ve got tons of people who ask us all the time, like who is a Kadence expert?

Somebody who works with Kadence all the time. We’ve got a few people that, that we know, but maybe we’ve got more. So how do people submit their work

Hannah: On the marketplace page, there is a link at the bottom and you can just fill out the form and enter your information, upload your libraries.

And then you can also be in our marketplace so everybody can find you.

Kathy: Super exciting. And we’ll have links in the show notes and the description box if you’re watching on YouTube so that you can go check out the marketplace and see what’s there. And we have more stuff coming up with, within the community too.

What’s, what else is happening?

Hannah: Yes, we also are having our second Kadence Amplify. We actually pushed the date back. We were going to do it this month, and there’s a ton going on. So we have a new date, October 20th, which is Friday. We were going to do it today. And, no problem. October 20th is a much better day.

Yes. It’s a Friday. It’ll be all day. We’ll have two tracks very similar to last time. We’ve got some great speakers lined up. Jake Full will be with us. Adam Pryzer will be with us from WP Crafter. And a couple other people that we’re just super excited about. So definitely put that date on your calendar.

And we’ll have a schedule. Actually, the schedule should be out now. By the time you’re listening to this podcast, there should be a schedule release. Super excited.

Kathy: Yep. Description box below. Save the date. Really interesting speakers about everything for everything that helps you make a better WordPress website.

It’s not just about Kadence, but there are some Kadence related talks, but we’ve got some Rachel Winchester, who’s going to be talking about UX. Brandy Lawson, who is one of my dear friends and just released a book. And she was the keynote speaker at WordCamp Phoenix couple 2020 maybe. Brilliant person.

And she just released a book. She’s going to talk about scope creep, that evil, horrible thing that makes your projects just turn into monsters. We’re going to kill the scope creep. That’s what it is about. And so I’m excited about Brandy. Cause she’s amazing.

Ben: It is a constant challenge.

Kathy: Yeah, Brandy is, Brandy’s amazing. I’m just going to talk her up a little bit I will just tell you everything I know about Google analytics. I learned from Brandy. I’m excited about Brandy. Can you tell she’s awesome?

It’s

Hannah: awesome. I love it.

Kathy: It’s going to be so cool. I am so excited. I am so excited. It is just going to be so much fun. And we haven’t even talked about all the new stuff with Kadence and look at how excited I am already, but Ben, you just released Kadence blacks some new features.

This week what are people playing with?

Ben: Yeah. So yeah, we did conditional fields for the advanced form block and that’s really powerful allowing you to basically have one field determined if another field should show further down in your form. So that’s, yeah, that was like phase one of like new enhancements for the advanced form block.

And we’re really excited about the future of that. Then there’s the progress bar got a new feature, which allows you to do masking. So you can do shape masks that animate in as the, you set the amount you want to animate in. So it’s a really cool way to do something like as simple as a rating, star rating where you can put like 4.

7 and it’ll animate up to 4. 7 of the stars. But it allows you to do custom masking as well. And that opens up a huge door of really interesting things where you can create custom shapes that you iterate over and over, or just have one that you want to fill out. So yeah. That’s cool with the progress bar.

And then we released Pexels integration into the media library. So if you want to very quickly and easily search Pexels for an image that you want to be able to drop into your content, you’re writing a blog post, whatever, this makes it super quick. Go to the media library, click on pexels, do a search, choose the one you want, or multiple, you drop them into your site, they already come in sized for web, and they already have alt text, and the image file is using that alt text as well, so you get like a Actual good SEO image file name.

And then you can drop that right into your page and away you go. And it’s quick and easy. And yeah, it’s one of my more favorite things we’ve done. Cause it just seems like there’s a lot of times where I’m like, I need an image and I can just go grab one quickly. Really fun.

Kathy: It’s so cool. The Pexels thing is so much fun when you’re building out using the design library and it comes in with sort of that soon it’ll be all the AI stuff, right?

But right now it’s coming in with those placeholders and you just click on them, go to Pexels and immediately replace them. I did a couple of Quickie like little demos with it. It makes building out a landing page so fast. Just having that Paxils integration, like right there to find the perfect image for all of these places that the design library area is holding space for you to make those kinds of decisions.

It’s so much fun. So I’m having a blast with it already. It’s only been out in a few days. So yeah very cool. And I have to ask about AI because people ask. The time.

Ben: Yeah. I think the main reason that AI is not out right now is that the licensing and credit system that we’re putting behind it is a, just a monster amount of work to get that right, to be able to upgrade everyone into a system that allows for credit usage and all that stuff.

But we’re getting close and in the meantime, as we’ve gotten the inline and the ability to do sections, we’re looking at full site. And getting that fixed because we’ve done a lot of stuff with pages and a lot of stuff with full site. So we’re getting close. So where we thought we’d be like launching sections and then inline and then full site.

A lot of those things are coming together as we’re also trying to figure out this whole credit system. But it’s close. We don’t have a date yet. But we’re expecting it to be, at least version one in the next month. No promises, but I think for sure it’s super fun. And you can join our beta and get access right now.

Like we have users playing around with it. Go and join the wait list and we can get you. access to the plugin where you can actually play around with it on your site.

Kathy: And we will have a link to that wait list down below. So next round of beta testing, you can get in on that. So much fun. I’ve had so much fun playing with it.

It’s I, and the more you use it, the more you find like little, because it’s really AI only shows you, it’s almost like a mirror. It shows back to you what you. What you have to give it, right? So if you’re like giving it like tons of information, it can really hone in on what you’re doing. And so it’s definitely an explorer to explore.

I’m having fun. Exploring. Words are hard today. I’m exploring it. It’s fun. I can’t wait for everybody else to have fun with it too. Anything else we should talk about?

That’s it. Busy little beavers over here building all the things. Very fun. One thing that I will mention in the, I am going to be participating. What? Maybe one of you guys will come with me, but on a Wednesday, so just in a couple of days, if you’re watching this or listening, when it first comes out on Wednesday, I should just say a date. It would be the 27th in the afternoon for Americans. There is going to be a FloThemes migration masterclass that we’ll be participating in. Cause I know a lot of people from FloThemes are coming over to Kadence. And so we’re going to be there with welcome arms. So if we’ll have a link to that in the show notes as well, if you know of someone who is curious about Kadence that is coming from the FloThemes world.

We are here for them. So we’ll just get the news out about that too. All right. Another episode in the books and you thought we wouldn’t get this far. Here we are. We’ll talk to you guys next time. See ya.